Tim: 0:00

I think this is hilarious. I think it's the most ridiculous thing. Like it's it's peak. I don't know what else to say. Like it's it's just peak. Right, we're going to end, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to magic $500 billion and we're going to put it into a machine and out the other end of it will come AGI, hundreds of thousands of American jobs and the US as the leader of the world. Step one steal underpants, pretty much dude.

Chris: 0:40

Hello, we are back again with another installment of the Cables to Clouds fortnightly news segment. So on this episode we're going to get into a few articles that we found interesting that came out over the last two weeks and chat about them and give some opinions, some hot takes all around good stuff. Right, my name is Chris Miles at BGPp main on blue sky, which I will say I seldom use. I need to. I need to make a habit out of being on there more and to be, be more like my, uh, my big brother, tim. Uh, who is joining me on the podcast today. Um, big bro, yeah, yeah, big bro. Um, I'm just striving every day to be more and more like Tim.

Tim: 1:23

Yeah, it's difficult, it's difficult, it is, it is.

Chris: 1:28

All right, Well, with that out of the way, let's go ahead and hop right in. So we have a few articles this week to talk about, the first one being from CRN, which is obviously a very channel-focused publication, so it's very focused on sales and channel partners and things like that, which we don't want to get too deep into. But we have a good article in here about um, Palo Alto networks and their focus on why platformization is important for leveraging the full capabilities of AI. Um, so this is an interview with Michael Corey, I believe, is how you say his name. Who is the uh, uh, the channel chief at Palo Alto networks?

Chris: 2:09

Um, like I said, you know, it kind of talks about this concept of you know where Palo Alto is going and their concept of uh or not their concept, but the convergence of all the product offerings that they have into a singular platform, which, I will say, does resonate with what, at least I've seen in the market. There seems to be a lot of focus on consolidation of product portfolios and things like that. So I definitely think that they are skating towards the puck in that scenario. Think that they are skating towards the puck in that scenario. At the same time, though I had a look at Palo Alto's portfolio after I looked at this article and noticed that, you know, because there's the next-gen firewall piece, which I don't know what exactly they're calling that there's like core component, and there's Prisma, and then there's Cortex. I think Cortex is the other one, I can't remember, but anyways they still have some work to do.

Chris: 3:07

To make it simple, is kind of where I'm going in that scenario.

Chris: 3:10

But nonetheless, he did mention in here obviously we're moving towards a lot of AI-focused applications and things like that, and he mentioned that the importance of a singular kind of platform in order to take full advantage of the AI offering from, you know, whether it be a specific LLM or or that particular vendor, and you know, I do kind of see some truth in that and some some merit there. I mean, it's kind of like to me, I kind of see that as the like the way that people view the Apple ecosystem. Right, there are benefits to being kind of a whole hog approach where everything that you live and breathe is with one vendor, one platform, so that you can, you know, has the utmost context, has the utmost like interoperability type thing, like that. So I do see some benefit there. Obviously, you know people have been bitching about fucking vendor lock in for years and years at this point, so it's almost like we're kind of rotating back towards that. But I don't know, like he's obviously speaking from the vendor perspective.

Chris: 4:14

So that's that's that's going to be a beneficial thing, but I mean, he's, he's not wrong, there's, there's benefits there, um so, uh, I did. I did find that find that an interesting point. How about you, tim? What do you think?

Tim: 4:33

Yeah. So the platformization thing, yeah, if you ask a vendor, obviously the answer is like platformization is awesome. You know the whole ecosystem. It's the answer to everything.

Chris: 4:38

It's the answer to everything, right.

Tim: 4:39

We've got, we've got our we've got an app for that right.

Tim: 4:42

I mean, that's the. It's pretty much the. What's funny is I was about to say it's kind of like the Cisco way of thinking, but actually Cisco is kind of the anti-platformization platform, if you will, not on purpose, right, but like and I think they're doing some work, you know, with like XDR and like there's certainly on the security side they've been working at it and then you know everything's catalyst something now. So at least in name, a lot of this stuff is unified, even though it's really just a logo. But yeah, so anyway, long story short, the idea of platformization, of going whole hog on a vendor, it sounds, it's just logically like, oh yeah, well, of course, if I'm using all of this vendor's offerings, you know, of course the vendor is going to be interoperable with itself and all the you know the benefits and whatnot will be will be there. Of course, you know it depends on whether they acquired that object or acquired that company, or acquired that product, or if they built it. You know from scratch.

Tim: 5:42

But I also went to the Palo website, like I was trying to figure out what's the difference between Prisma Cloud and Prisma Access and like, dude, it's rough man. Like the naming. The naming is hard. I had to go dig through a bunch of docs just to understand that I was actually looking not at remote access, but I was actually looking at, like, a completely new cloud platform for connectivity or something, or scanning agents or something like this.

Tim: 6:04

It was really hard, uh, not to to pick on palo alto or cisco too much, but the the point is I do I do take some issue with his like just just saying as fact that like, oh well, if you want to leverage ai, if you want ai insights, like you have to like the best way to do it is to have a single platform. I think he's, uh, what do they call it? Um, leading the witness a little bit, you know, on that, he's just saying it. I don't know, though. Like, maybe, maybe not. It's one of those things that sounds logically true, but I don't think anybody's proven that to be the case yet.

Chris: 6:36

Yeah, that's just the thing. Like, the logic sounds okay, but you know whether or not the you know, but you know whether or not the you know the fruits of that labor would would show themselves. Who knows? Right, we're still early days on so much of this stuff, but I mean, the only thing that I will say is that the consolidation of application or platform tooling and things like that is definitely a thing.

Tim: 7:00

Like yeah, I hear that.

Chris: 7:02

I hear that quite a bit, especially in cloud, because there's so many cloud security companies that focus on maybe one little niche thing Like. I hear that.

Chris: 7:06

I hear that quite a bit, especially in cloud Cause there's so many cloud security companies that focus on maybe one little niche thing, and and you kind of kind of you know you're, I talked to so many people that are using so many products and I'm like man, I don't know how you, I don't know how you navigate this landscape and, like, have any kind of idea of what's going on at any given time unless you're consolidating this all in one area, so um, on at any given time. Unless you're consolidating this all in one area, so um. And then there's then there's companies that come in and just do that, like hey, we'll just be the consolidation piece, we'll take input from the orchestrator yeah, um.

Tim: 7:32

So yeah, it makes sense, but you know, who knows if that's uh actually how it's going to boil down, but we'll see, yeah, again, this guy's a channel partner guy, so, yeah, you know he's speaking it from the perspective that like okay, well, this is also how we should enable our partners, and our partners should be using the same type of motion.

Chris: 7:49

So anyway, yeah, you want partners selling every, every bit of the platform. They can, exactly.

Tim: 7:54

So it's all the whole thing, baby, yeah, yeah so next we have an article from uh cio dive, and this one is interesting. So we all know um Trump is now the president and on his first day he signed like 26 something executive orders. One of them was an executive order to rescind the Biden administration's executive order on AI safety guardrails a little bit of this. Well, we covered several AI legislation attempt type of stories over the past year. This one was just an executive order from Biden administration saying basically that AI companies would have to submit some kind of a safety report on their, I guess, their models or their efforts, what they're building. It was honestly a little yeah, so it wasn't exactly clear on like how it was actually supposed to work.

Tim: 8:47

But Trump is kind of signaling here that he's going to be friendly to AI companies. Given who he's put in his cabinet, none of this is surprising to anyone. I would hope I'm. Yeah, there's not a whole lot to say here except that he's, you know, basically signaling that he's going to be friendly to this type of technology. We'll see We've got a story at the end that proves this to be very true and then, yeah, so this is not the worst executive order he has written, but one thing is missing. Is any kind of replacement right?

Tim: 9:25

He just canceled this I doubt we'll see a replacement of any kind of regulation, not even regulation An executive order isn't even regulation, you wouldn't call it that but like any kind of yoke to put on the bull that is the raging bull that is AI at this point. Pretty interesting. Anything to add there, mr Australian guy, as you watch the world burn.

Chris: 9:48

I mean not much to add. I mean, obviously they're partially doing this on the guise of, you know, not hamstringing AI innovation. But you know, I think obviously we're rather cynical about this administration and whether or not they um are doing this for the, the greater humanity or, uh, just, you know a few, you know fellow billionaires that um have been um investing in this kind of stuff for for a while now.

Chris: 10:16

But you know it's like you said, there's not much to say. It's like, oh okay, what a surprise. Someone wants to get rid of regulation that was put in place by the former administrator. I mean a bit of it is like showcase kind of stuff. Just say like, oh the shit the other guy did. I'm pulling that out. You know, we want to run America like a business, right, we want it to be the most profitable and it's all for America and stuff like that. But you know, I don't think it's going to, I don't think we shall All right.

Chris: 10:52

Next article we have is from infosecuritymagazinecom. So this one is titled multi-cloud adoption surges amid rising security concerns. So this was an interesting one. I think a majority of what's covered in this article was from a 2025 report done by Fortinet on the state of the cloud security. State of cloud security report, sorry. That was released recently, on the 15th of January. Platforms and things like that that uh cater to a multi-cloud approach. Because, uh, we've seen an uptick from, I think, 71 to 78 of companies saying that they're adopting a multi-cloud strategy. That number seems pretty high, to be honest with you, um, to me, um, but we've we've kind of talked about it on the show before, whereas, like those numbers, I feel are a little skewed, because people are like oh, we use Office 365.

Chris: 11:59

It's like that's not quite the same, but I guess, if you want to split hairs, you could say you're operating on Azure's infrastructure. The 63% of organizations plan to increase their cloud security budgets in the upcoming year, which is not necessarily surprising, at least, probably from Tim and I's perspective. Being on a company that has kind of a strong focus on cloud security, and then also talking about 90% of respondents favoring centralized dashboards that simplify policy management and threat visibility across cloud services, and then talks about, you know, the adoption of things like cloud security posture management, or CSPMs, and cloud native application protection platforms, or CNAPs, I will say, man, this sent me down a rabbit hole to like remind myself what all these fucking acronyms actually mean, and there are so many of them. There's like what is it like?

Chris: 13:02

there's cspm cnap uh ciem is a new one, casby, um, and all so much of them seem like they do the same shit, um. But I guess that's kind of why you see a lot of the same vendor names or same product names in multiple pieces of these categories. So it makes sense. They kind of have the Fucking yeah it's all in the parts Fucking. Gartner man Fucking Gartner. Yeah, let's add a few more this year. That should be our goal. Make it a funny acronym, make it be a funny word at least.

Tim: 13:33

Yeah, right, I don't know what's your input, tim? Yeah, so the numbers were surprising, but let's also remember that this is a state of the security report from Fortinet, which is a security vendor who obviously has a cloud presence, has a cloud product, if you will, or a product that goes in the cloud, at least. So you know, obviously we can assume that the thing is in this. In this report, we don't get to see the report, we only get to see the results. So you know what were the questions that were asked and were they leading? Were they leading questions Like cause to me? You try to tell me that, like 78% of of of organizations are in multiple clouds. I just I don't.

Chris: 14:12

we must be talking, you know we must be talking to the wrong people, because we definitely have talked to many people who are like we're an AWS only shop or we only do Azure?

Tim: 14:19

We only, you know, but I mean. So I think that the number, the percentage, is kind of high, but then again, I mean we haven't talked to every customer out there either. So I get 27% favoring centralized dashboards that simplify policy management and threat visibility.

Chris: 14:35

I wonder what vendor could do that.

Tim: 14:39

Maybe Fortinet, no, I mean, but that's a good point, right Is that we were just talking about how the platformization and the consolidation of stuff you know is something that rings pretty well with people, Because easily, even if people don't like vendor lock-in, people love the idea of having to only look at one place for all the data that they're going to need.

Tim: 15:01

Regardless of how many vendors are under the hood supplying that data. They only want to look in one place for that data and you know, in a perfect world, they want to get insight. They want to get some kind of network insight or security insight out of that thing that they're looking at. So, anyway, so 97% favoring centralized dashboards. I mean, I'm wondering who the 3% are. No, I really enjoy having 10 windows to go look at.

Chris: 15:23

Probably the gatekeepers of information, the people that don't want it. Yeah, right, yeah.

Tim: 15:28

I just love getting kept to my toes and having to correlate data between multiple dashboards.

Chris: 15:34

No, this is not surprising, I mean just a bit of glass half full, I guess, viewpoint on this, at least from the perspective of this being run by Fortinet. It says, based on feedback from 873 cybersecurity professionals. So decent number, I would say. If you're telling me that they're cybersecurity professionals, that probably tells me that they are already. Like. That already implies that they are at an organization that has grown to the size that they're operating in the cloud and they need people that are cybersecurity focused in their job title which says one thing Self-selects yeah, but at the same time, this is also Fortinet.

Chris: 16:14

Fortinet is a company they've like. Yes, they work a lot at the enterprise level, but they also do very well in the SMB space.

Tim: 16:22

So that you know this could be.

Chris: 16:24

You know, obviously we don't know the landscape of those 873 respondents, who's where. But you know, I'd like to, you know, I'd like to be an optimist here and think positively.

Tim: 16:35

But you know who knows? Yeah, I mean, and this is, of course, an info security magazine, right? So this is going to be this whole article and all that's going to be very cybersecurity focused. Yeah, I don't disagree with, generally, the findings of this article. I think we're seeing more multi-cloud than we did before, and that's just a trend that's going to continue, did before and that's just a trend that's going to continue.

Tim: 16:53

I don't, at some point, unless you're really small, you're going to probably end up in multiple clouds and not and functionally, actually in multiple clouds, not just I use that 365. So, yeah, and as you split that out, security does become more difficult because you have to deal with the security policy in one cloud and then another cloud. That's going to be the same policy and a lot of the time, you can't build one policy and have it take effect in multiple clouds. You know, because, hey, I've got to do NSGs over here, I've got to do security groups over here. They're the same, they do the same thing, but they're configured differently, like. So what you need, obviously, is something that's going to be able to do all of that.

Chris: 17:27

So Surprise, surprise, it is complex.

Tim: 17:29

All right, so we're going to cover this next one. It's a little bit of a black eye for ourselves and our company, Aviatrix. Chris and I work for Aviatrix. I know we've probably. You know, at the end of the day, we're it's news, we're covering cloud news and we don't want to. Yeah, we want to cover, we want to cover cloud news and this is this was newsworthy. This was picked up a lot and put around by a lot of people, so let's, so let's talk about it. So it started with an article that was published by Wiz, the security vendor, which, for what it's worth, Wiz is also a cloud security vendor. So take that for what it's worth.

Chris: 18:23

They fit right into the CSPM CNAP. I think their names can be across all those pretty much.

Tim: 18:30

Yeah. So I mean, most honestly, anybody who's listening probably has at least heard of Wiz by this point, wizio. So Wiz put out a blog Hold on, let me actually pop it open, just so I cause I want to be able to verify, speak directly to it. So Wiz put out a blog on the 11th of January talking about a CVE that was published from a security research researcher that actually contacted Aviatrix quite a while back, actually, to let us know about a vulnerability that Aviatrix had CVE-2024-50603. Now this one was bad because it was a full 10 on the CVE score. So every vendor I think honestly it's not funny, but I swear it must be a rite of passage or something, cause I think every major vendor out there that builds software, uh, has at some point hit the, hit the 10 on the scale. Like you know, not, not, not like the, uh, what is it? The? The, the style goes to 11. I don't think anybody's made it to 11 yet, but, uh, but we're, yeah, spinal Tap.

Chris: 19:30

The Spinal Tap of CVEs yeah.

Tim: 19:32

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we haven't found that one yet, but yeah, so Aviatrix got the dubious honor of joining the ranks of Cisco Battle of Orden all the big ones, but this was a particularly remote command execution vulnerability. Anyway, the blog goes over mentions. Basically, I mean honestly, it just says what the security researcher says, which is that there was a way to exploit the controller or a matrix controller in a way that you could do remote command execution so you could like install software on the box or something like that without you know escalate or with escalation of escalating the authentication. So what's? So? Yeah, the Wiz blog goes.

Tim: 20:15

It's very honestly I feel like it's and I'm not saying this because I work at Aviatrix, but I suggest that you go read the blog. It's actually pretty kind of Wiz marketing heavy. They're like well, our software found this and we've. But the truth is the security researcher actually had published that like just the day before, I think, or maybe even that morning, the exploit after the street date essentially had passed, and he had contacted Aviatrix, given us the details and we had issued a patch and worked to help all the customers, essentially that we could get patched and upgraded and issue patches for the software Even back to like because this was so big. Aviatrix even provided patches for software that's been out of support for, honestly, for a couple of years now.

Tim: 21:03

I think we went all the way back to like 6.7 or something, because it was such a big deal.

Chris: 21:06

Yeah, we did.

Tim: 21:07

So, yeah, there's not much to say here. I think every major vendor at some point has a bad day like this and I don't want to downplay it either. This is obviously a big vulnerability. I will say that, you know, when Aviatrix was made aware of it, they did what they should have done. You know, they contacted customers. They immediately worked on a patch. They contacted customers privately, because it hadn't been published yet to work on remediation steps helping them, you know, fix the network, helping them fix the network without any kind of impact, as much as possible.

Tim: 21:39

And when the exploit was finally published, wiz is reporting that there were people in the wild that were essentially exploited with this code that was put out, and I think, as far as I know, that's probably accurate. But, having done some research, the people that were ultimately had this, you know, like crypto miners or whatever backdoors installed on their controllers, hadn't patched, they hadn't upgraded, they hadn't patched. So you know, to my knowledge, aviatrix was working with those customers, or has already, by this point, worked with those customers to do remediation replacement of the controller, you know, because with that type of an exploit, you just blow the controller away and build a new one, is my understanding. So yeah, so yeah, I kind of took it on the jaw. I mean, anything to add there?

Chris: 22:28

No, I mean obviously this one. You know we have a little bit more context around than what's out there publicly, but I will tell you like, specifically as someone that was on the front line that was talking to customers about this and making sure they got patched and things like that, you know, I think, like you said, every vendor, if you look through the known CVEs, right, all the big names are there. Everyone has these happen, right? If you operate under the guise that you're never going to have something get exploited, then, then that's the wrong approach to take. It's, it's how you respond when it does happen.

Chris: 23:02

Um, so you know, we, we made sure that you know, every, every patch that went out was, um, non-service impacting, so all like, it literally took like two minutes to patch something and did not affect your data plane traffic or anything like that. So, and you know, majority of customers were already patched before the public notice even went out to you know, via wiz and by the security researcher, right. So you know, I mean, yeah, that, like I said, it's Things like this are going to happen. The response is what's most important and you know I'm trying to be unbiased here. I think we came out in a relatively good light for what it could have been right. It could have been something much worse.

Tim: 23:50

Yeah, and here's the thing we report on the news all the time. We report about competitors. We report on the news all the time and about we report about competitors, report about our own company, report about basically anybody that's out there that has something to do with cloud and cloud technology.

Tim: 24:03

But you know, this stuff that's happening like exploits, hacking people, you know think this is happening all the time, like it's not making it to the news, right, Like, the amount of stuff that ends up in the news that we can report on is 1% of 1% of what's happening out there every single day. Like most of the time, most companies don't want anybody to know that this has happened, right, and so you know there's ransomware. You know, at one point I worked at a place that got ransomwared. Like they were not sorry, not ransomware, it was like a threat of a DDoS or something like that. You know, Sorry, not ransomware. It was like a threat of a DDoS or something like that. And send us Bitcoin or we'll DDoS you or whatever.

Tim: 24:39

And the company quietly took care of it. They had a mitigation put in place for it, whatever. But the cybercrime stuff, all of this, it's on the rise, man. We report on it more and more and it's happening, whether or not the news is out there about it. So just be aware that this is like another day in paradise.

Chris: 25:02

This is. This happens all the time. All right, uh, let's round it out with um. I almost feel like we need a jingle for this.

Chris: 25:07

It's at this point where we can play before, um, before we talk about it. Uh, so we have some more news from none other than OpenAI. So we've seen the announcement of the Stargate project. So I'll be honest, this is very hand-wavy. At this point it's very kind of like I don't know exactly what this means or what it's going to be, but basically it sounds like, with the incoming new administration and things like that, openai, along with other equity funders like SoftBank, oracle, mgx, I basically started a new company called the Stargate Project which plans to invest over $500 billion over the next four years into AI infrastructure, over the next four years into AI infrastructure. It says it's funny because it says invest 500 billion over the next four years into building new AI infrastructure for OpenAI in the US.

Tim: 26:03

Yeah, specifically OpenAI.

Chris: 26:05

Yeah, which is weird a little bit, because then it goes into say that the key technology partners are ARM Microsoft, nvidia and Oracle. So obviously I guess those companies are leveraging OpenAI. Yeah, I was going to say the key technology partners are ARM Microsoft, nvidia and Oracle.

Tim: 26:19

So obviously I guess those companies are leveraging OpenAI.

Chris: 26:20

Yeah, I was going to say that's but yeah, it's like I said talks about this idea that we'll closely collaborate and build and operate this computing system, and talks about the existing relationship with OpenAI, nvidia, et cetera. But I mean, that's kind of it. The promise is that you know we're we're everyone's coming together to fulfill this prophecy, so to say, of AGI Right, but that's really all we know at this point. It says it's going to create. It was like what was like like millions of jobs.

Tim: 26:55

Thousands of American, hundreds of thousands of American jobs. Now that Okay, okay. I want some receipts on that one right off the bat dude.

Chris: 27:02

Yeah, right, yeah, that's what. That's crazy, cause we've been talking about how much AI is going to be taking jobs, but like this is going to be building jobs like in the hundreds of thousands.

Tim: 27:12

Oh yeah, the hundreds of thousands. Oh yeah, we're going to need a huge HR department for all the AI.

Chris: 27:19

Yeah right. What if all these agents are just the ones that take these jobs Like there's no?

Tim: 27:27

Oh yeah, man. Hundreds of thousands of American jobs, Unless we're talking about building a thousand data centers. I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Which I mean 500 billion maybe I mean, and they're, they're talking about reopening three mile island and and investing more nuclear technology too. I mean, you got to power these things. This is it. This is the start of the end, folks. This is it, guys.

Chris: 27:49

You heard it here it's finally happening, um, but yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe that'll offset all those jobs, but that's the thing is like what is the job?

Tim: 27:58

I don't know what the job is.

Chris: 27:59

I don't know what the job is, but is it a job that will eventually be taken by AI at at some point?

Tim: 28:06

Like I hesitate to say it. I'm wondering if this could be one of those jobs that Trump was talking about. You know the?

Chris: 28:17

the ones that the immigrants were taking.

Tim: 28:18

But yeah, well, don't worry, they're all, all, the all them will be gone by this point. Right, that's terrible.

Chris: 28:21

Yeah, it's disgusting anyways, um anything else to add there, tim okay um, I think this is hilarious.

Tim: 28:29

I think it's the most ridiculous thing. Like it's, it's peak, I don't know what to say. Say Like it's it's just peak, right, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to magic $500 billion and we're going to put it into a machine and out the other end of it will come AGI, hundreds of thousands of American jobs and the U? S as the leader of the world. Step one steal underpants, pretty much.

Chris: 28:55

Step two open AI, pretty much I mean I step two open ai, who knows?

Tim: 28:58

step three, step three all that 500 billion dollars ends up in some billionaires pocket, multiple billionaires pocket.

Chris: 29:03

Yeah I mean we were talking about this before we hit record, like I wonder what the response is going to be from china, because we were talking about what was it? The. Is it deep seek? Deep, seek, deep, yeah because, like they were already saying, that they did the exact same thing with a couple million dollars, whereas we've funneled billions and billions of dollars into this.

Tim: 29:22

So I mean, obviously we don't know, Take it with a grain of salt.

Chris: 29:25

Yeah we don't know anything about what it actually is, and it could be, you know probably huge.

Tim: 29:30

Well, it's a straight lie because you know they just like it's running in probably a China Telecom data center which costs hundreds of millions of dollars. But we scratched that out because it wasn't related to the actual thing that they're doing. It's amazing what you can accomplish with an inexhaustible supply of prison labor.

Chris: 29:48

Well, who knows, maybe that's where those jobs are going to go in the US. You know it's scary man, it's scary.

Tim: 29:55

This is the race. This is the. This is. This is the race. This is the new space race. The new moonshot that we're aiming for is the, the. How quickly can we cook this entire planet? Oh, okay, Anyway, I wanted to end on a hopeful, hopeful note, but we keep ending with these goddamn AI stories.

Chris: 30:10

Yeah, should find something very happy where you know. Um, I'll tell you what I'll end with something, uh, light-hearted. Uh, I learned the other day there's apparently a new apple coming out.

Tim: 30:24

They've made, they've genetically made an apple, apple, an actual apple yes, like, uh, my friend put me onto this.

Chris: 30:31

He was like oh, he's like, oh, have you seen the new apples? Like, yeah, I thought the apples, I thought that those were done, bro, there's already so many, but now there's a new one. I'll have to find a link and send it to you. It's like red on the outside and the inside Whoa, it's weird. It looks like one kind of solid thing, even as you're eating it. It's kind of weird actually. Yeah, yeah.

Tim: 30:53

It's probably some GMO shit, GMO like have we come around on GMOs.

Chris: 30:56

Are GMOs good now?

Tim: 30:57

I feel like everyone's like fearful of them but like. Well, I mean, there's still people that are scared of them. There's still people scared of GMOs and I truly couldn't tell you like if they're good, bad or ugly. But yeah, I'm sure we'll need a lot of GMOs when we're in our corporate dystopia.

Chris: 31:14

I wonder how RFK feels about the GMO yeah, we should ask.

Tim: 31:18

We should ask him, it would be a good take.

Chris: 31:19

See if we can get him, anyway. Yeah, anyways, we'll wrap up. Thanks again for joining us for the fortnightly news from Cables to Clouds. If you want to have a look at any of these articles more in depth, have a look in the show notes. We have a link to a Google doc where we post every article that we've talked about in it, as well as a few more. If you have any comments, please reach out to us. We'd love to hear from you either. You know anywhere you feel is appropriate, whether it be YouTube, comments, social media, blue sky, anywhere out there. Uh, we'll put Tim's uh mailing address in there my cell phone number his cell phone number social security.

Tim: 32:00

Um, oh, they already got that.

Chris: 32:02

Yeah, where he went to elementary school, his favorite uh sports player growing up. You can try to get his passwords, all that stuff. Um, but yeah, with that, we'll uh take it away. Um, we love you and we'll talk to you next week. Bye-bye.

Tim: 32:19

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